7 May 2016: My DNA Results are in! … PART ONE mtDNA May 7, 2016

I finally received the results of my DNA tests last week. As I said in my first post, I used the company Family Tree DNA. Mostly because I’d read on-line reviews that insinuated that you got more detailed results with them. I did two tests, the Family Finder and the mtDNA. The Family Finder tested you for your whole spectrum DNA and the mtDNA only tests your maternal line DNA. Since there’s quite a bit of info here, I’m going to split this up into two posts.

First I’ll start with my mtDNA test. This is the test that zeros in on just my maternal line. My direct maternal line has been one of my most annoying brick walls. Here’s what I know starting with me:

• Me
• Myra Wells (my mom)
• Florence Jeanatte Weber 1902-1961 (my grandmother) born in Jersey City, NJ
• Julia Regina Erbig 1882-1954 (my great grandmother) born in Jersey City, NJ
• Catherine/Kate Green 1860-1936 (my great great grandmother) born in New Jersey
• Regina Von Glahn 1835-1907 (my great great great grandmother) born in Germany or Holland

Regina has been impossible to track down past her passenger manifest to America in 1850. The only scrap of info I had as a lead was an old family rumor that the female line in the family had Jewish roots. I was hoping that with this mtDNA test, I’d be able to prove or disprove this theory and perhaps find someone else with the same line where we could share info and find a way to break through my brick wall.

When the test results came back in, I have to say I was annoyed that they are so vague. Perhaps it’s just the test itself, but I was annoyed by the way in which the results are explained to you. I’ll get to that later on. First of all, this is the dashboard you get on the website when you log in.

My Family Tree DNA Dashboard

Let’s start with my Matches.   As you can see below the website has listed folks who, like me, are in their database and have been found as a match for their mtDNA, maternal line DNA. (I’ve blacked out their last names for their privacy.) Under the column “Genetic Distance” a 0 (zero) means we are an exact match and that our family connection is the closest. As the numbers go up, our common ancestor goes farther back in time. The other info listed is the ancestor the person listed on their profile as the farthest back they can trace. If you click on the little blue square that looks like a family tree it will show you the family tree that person built on the site. I found it extremely useful to be able to look at their family tree to see if I could find any commonality. If you click on the envelope you can also email these folks to see if they want to work with you on your research.

The next item on the dashboard is my Ancestral Origins. This report was what annoyed me the most about my results, mainly because Family Tree DNA gives you no explanation of what it means. I actually had to call them up and the explanation I did get was really strange. Here’s the first few lines of the report. I’ll scan and attach the full one below as well. Another thing I didn’t like was that there is no way to download these results as a PDF.

Here’s what the columns mean:

• Country Total: The total number of people in the Family Tree DNA database that claim to have ancestry in the country listed.
• Match Total: The total number of people listed in “Country Total” that are actually matches to your mtDNA.
• Percentage: The percentage of people in “Country Total” that are in your “Match Total.” Yes, had I a calculator, I could have figured this one out for myself.
• Comment: Either a region of that country or ethnic people of that country that your matches have listed as part of their ancestry, which of course is pretty subjective as it could very well be based of family rumor more than truth proved with evidence.

Interestingly enough, my highest percentage of match came from the country of Morocco with 14.5%.

When I called customer service to ask for an explanation of this report, even the Family Tree DNA rep said this report was kind of weird. When I asked about ways to find out if I was Jewish or not, he said that by the extremely large amount of Jewish ancestry noted in the comments fields of my report that odds were extremely high I had Jewish roots on my maternal line!

No, I didn’t get exacting scientific proof … yet … but that was good enough for me. Yeah! I’m a Jew. I’ll take it where I can get it. I’m so tired of just being plain old white bread European.

Here’s my Full Ancestral Origins Report:

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Report Page 5

The next item on the dashboard is the Matches Map. Here’s what it looks like when you open it up:

If you zoom in on a place, here’s what you see. If you click on a pin, the info for that person pops up.

All things considered, this is just another way of looking at your matches.

The next item on the dashboard is the Migration Map. Here’s what it looks like.

There is no explanation to help you understand what this map really means so I honestly have no clue what it’s supposed to tell me. You’d think if they went through the trouble of creating it, they’d at least want you to understand it.

The other tab is the Frequency Map. Here’s what it looks like:

At least this map gives you a little explanation, but then when you click on one of the pie charts, I’m lost again. It doesn’t explain what A,B,C,D and X are for.

Next on the Dashboard is the Haplogroup Origins. Take a look for yourself, but I don’t see how this differs from the Ancestral Group origins report much.

 

Next on the dashboard is my Results. I’m Haplogroup H7, which according to Family Tree DNA is an uncommon branch found in low frequencies. Gee, nice to know I’m special.  Here’s the scientific gobbledygook they throw at you here:

The last item on the dashboard is my Certificates. Here’s what I got:

The only other certificate was the migration map which was kind of redundant.  So what did I think of this test? I have mixed feelings.  I get the impression that no matter what company I used, I was going to have a difficult time proving my Jewish heritage and really that was the only reason I did the test. I feel that there is interesting results to be had here, but was disappointed that Family Tree DNA did such a poor job of interpreting these results in an easy to understand way.  I think the Family Finder test results were more interesting.  That test will be my next post here.

-Jennifer

Jennifer Geoghan, Genealogist and author of The Purity of Blood novel series and If Love is a Lie: A Partly True Love Story.

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12 May 2015: Erbig Bros Cigar Company in Erie PA May 12, 2015

A distant Erbig cousin of mine contacted a few weeks ago to gather info on the family and give me info on her branch.  I love it when distant cousins get in touch to trade family facts.  So while adding her some of the info she gave me on my tree on ancestry.com, I came across an interesting tidbit of information.

My great, great grandparents, Charles August Erbig and Catherine (Green) Erbig had 13 children, most of which stayed in the Jersey City, NJ area while my great grandmother (Julia) and her parents moved to Hopkinton, RI.  One of the sons that stayed behind was Robert Phillip Erbig.  Robert had two sons that I was doing a little research on Ancestry to see what happened to.  Strangely enough, it seems they moved with their wives to Erie, Pennsylvania for a while and started a Cigar company.  I know, where did that come from.  A cigar company?  Were they secretly Cuban or something?  How do I know it’s them?  Well, here’s the Erie, PA city directory for 1956:

It’s definitely them because it’s Robert “Jr” and also has the right names of their wives.

I just love finding these odd little facts about the family.  They show up in the 1957 Erie PA city directory but nothing after that.  I think they moved back to Jersey City so I’ll assume the business didn’t pan out as they’d hoped.  Still, it makes you wonder what got it in their heads to move to PA and start a cigar company???

-Jennifer

27 Apr 2011 – Erbig Family Newspaper Items April 27, 2011

So yesterday, I was looking through genealogybank.com and cam across some new articles on Charles August Erbig (1861 – 1951) my second great-grandfather.  While living in Jersey City, he seems to have been involved in some sort of illegal gambling/lottery scheme.  Here are some of the articles I found concerning this:

The Evening Journal Jersey City – 18 Oct 1897 – Charles Erbig Gambling Ring

The Evening Journal Jersey City – 7 Dec 1897 – Charles Erbig Gambling Ring Top 4th Colm 

Fortunately, Charles must have redeemed himself as here he is years later serving on a jury:

The Jersey Journal 30 Dec 1913 – Charles Erbig on Jury

Here is a more happy article.  A social item about a birthday gathering for his daughter Elizabeth’s birthday:

The Evening Journal Jersey City – 10 Sept 1906 – Charles Erbig party for Dau Lizzie

One last one I found yesterday.  A birth announcement for Charles granddaughter, Lillie Mae Gertrude Erbig, daughter of his son Robert Phillip Erbig Sr.:

The Jersey Journal 10 Feb 1921 – Birth of Lillie Mae Gertrude Erbig

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October 5, 2010 Erbig and Green Death Records October 5, 2010

About a month ago, I sent in a request to te New Jersey State Archives requesting copies of Death Records of Jacob Green (1822/23 – 1897) and Michael Erbig (1814 – 1893)  Both are my 3rd Great Grandfathers.  About a week ago, I got copies of the records and here they are.

What’s great about these records is that it finally told me where they are buried. Micheal Erbig is in Flower Hill Cemetery in North Bergen, Hudson Co., NJ.  I called the cemetery to confirm and they did have a record for him but no record of his wife Julia Arnold as being with him there.  However, they admitted that the old records were incomplete so hopefully someone will fill the photo request I put in on www.findagrave.com and let me know if she is next to him there.  Also on Michael’s record was the names of his parents, Michael and Anna. 

Jacob is in Bay View Cemetery in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ.  I’ve tried a couple of times to get a hold of someone in that office but no one is answering the phone when I call.

June 7, 2010 June 7, 2010

So with all the new info I’ve been gathering on the Weber – Erbig – Green sides of my family.  A while ago I put together a timeline of events to sort all the little bits of info out to see patterns in their movements.  I thought I’d share some of the timeline I put together so here it is from what I know till 1900.

Erbig – Green – Weber Timeline

Circa 1822-1823: Jacob Green is born in Germany.

 Circa 1831: Michael Erbig Sr. is born in Bavaria, Germany. (There are many variant spellings for Erbig. Arbeck, Erbrick & Ebricht are some examples)

 Circa 1829-1832: Regina Von Grand is born in Germany (or some name variation like Regina Van Glahn or with the first name of Catherine or Catrina.)

 Circa 1832: Julia Arnold is born in Bavaria, Germany.

 Circa 1841: George Weber is born in Germany. (This is an arbitrary date that I picked based on a guess that he would have been approximately 25 years old when his son Philip Weber was born.  It is unknown if George ever came to America.)

 1847-1849:  Michael Erbig Sr. marries Julia Arnold in Bavaria, Germany.

 1849: Michael Erbig Jr. is born in Bavaria, Germany

 1849-1853: Sometime between 1849 after the birth of Michael Erbig Jr. and before 1853, Michael Erbig Sr., Julia Arnold Erbig and Michael Erbig Jr. immigrate to America and settle in Jersey City, NJ.

 Before 1852: Jacob Green immigrate to America from Germany prior to 1852.

 1851: Jacob Green marries Regina Von probably about 1851.

 1852: Effe / Elizabeth Green born in New Jersey to Jacob Green & Regina Von Grand.

 1853: Eliza Erbig is born in New Jersey to Michael Erbig Sr. and Julia Arnold.

 1855: Dora Erbig is born in New Jersey to Michael Erbig Sr. and Julia Arnold.

 1860: Catherine Green born in New Jersey to Jacob Green & Catrina Von Grand.

 1860: Federal Census: July 18, 1860      Jersey City, New Jersey

            Jacob Green:             Age: 39                       Occupation: Laborer              Place of Birth: Germany

            Catrina Green:               Age: 31             Occupation: None                      Place of Birth: Germany

            Effe Green:                   Age: 8              Occupation: None                      Place of Birth: New Jersey

            Christina Green:            Age: ½             Occupation: None                      Place of Birth: New Jersey

April 22, 1861: Charles A. Erbig born in New Jersey to Michael Erbig (Webig) and Julia Arnold.

 After April 22, 1861: There is no mention of Julia (Arnold) Erbig on any Census.  He death is sometime after April      22, 1861.  There is a Julia Erbig listed as a Widow and living at 134 Beacon Ave on the 1893-94 Jersey City    Directory.  Is this our Julia?  It possible could be but there is nothing to confirm or deny it.

 1863: Henry Green born in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ to Jacob Green and Regene Green.  (New Jersey Deaths & Burials, 1720-1988)

 Between January and August 1865: Elizabeth Green born in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ to Jacob Green and   Regene Green.  (New Jersey Deaths & Burials, 1720-1988)

 September 1, 1865: Elizabeth Green, daughter of Jacob Green and Regene Green died in Jersey City, NJ.  (New             Jersey Deaths & Burials, 1720-1988)

 October 1, 1865: Henry Green, son of Jacob Green and Regene Green died in Jersey City, NJ.  (New Jersey Deaths      & Burials, 1720-1988)

 August 26, 1866: A baby boy is born in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ to Jacob Green and            Regena Green.  (New Jersey   Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 1867: Philip Weber is born in Essen, Germany to George and Mrs. Weber.

 May 2, 1869: William Erbrick (Erbig) born in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ to Michael and Julia Erbrick (Erbig).    (New Jersey Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 July 16, 1869: Rosey Green born in Jersey City, Hudson Co., NJ to Jacob Green and Regina Green.  (New Jersey             Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 1870: Federal Census August 16, 1870 Jersey City, Hudson Co.,  NJ    No street address indicated

            Jacob Green (head) age 48, born in Germany, Laborer

            Regena Green , age 40, born in Germany, Keeping House

            Eva Green, age 18, born in New Jersey, “at home”

            Kate Green, age 10, born in New Jersey, “at home”

            Anna Green, age 9, born in New Jersey, “at home”

            Rose Green, age 1 1/12 , born in New Jersey, “at home”

 1870:  Federal Census, June, 1870, Jersey City, NJ 10th Ward

            Michail Ebricht, age 55, occupation Paper Maker, Place of birth, Bavaria

            Julia Ebricht, age 43, keeping house, place of birth: Bavaria

            Michael Ebricht, age 21,  XXX Paper Mill, place of Birth: Bavaria

            Eliza Ebricht, age 17, place of birth New Jersey

            Dora Ebricht, age 15, place of birth, New Jersey

            Charles Ebricht, age 10, place of Birth: New Jersey

1879: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            NO ERBIGS LISTED

            Jacob Green, laborer, h  r           212 Morris (There is no Morris as a road in Jersey City anymore) (Is this our Jacob? Probably but I have no information that would confirm or deny this as him.)

 1880: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory – 1880

            Michael Erberg, papermkr,   170 Hopkins av (99.9% that this is our Mike as same address as Charles in 1882 and we know that Charles is correct)                    

            Jacob Green, lab,     250 R R av   (Street address Confirmed by 1880 Census as Railroad Avenue)    (There is no Railroad Ave anymore in Jersey City, but the area is certainly full or railroad tracks.)(Jacob’s occupation is also listed as “Laborer” on the 1880 census)

1880: Federal Census June 12, 1880 Jersey City, Hudson Co.,  NJ    170 Hopkins Avenue

            Michael Arbeck (head) age 66, married, born in Bayern (Germany.  Bayern is German for Bavaria), parents       born in Bayern (Germany), Worker in Paper Mill  Julia Arbeck (wife) age 54, married, born in Bayern (Germany), parents born in Bayern, Keeping House

            Charles Arbeck (son) age 20, single, born in New Jersey, Barber

            Annie Arbeck (daughter in law) age 25, widowed, born in New York, Worker in Paper Mill

1880: Federal Census June 16, 1880 Jersey City, Hudson Co.,  NJ    Rail Road Avenue

            Jacob Green (head) age 57, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, Laborer

            Regina Green (wife) age 48, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, Keeping House

            Annie(?) Green (daughter) age 18, born in NJ, Single, works in Tobacco Factory

            Katie Green (daughter) age 20, born in NJ, Single, works in Tobacco Factory

            (is this our Green Family? Katie/Katherine’s birth timing is good but who is sister Annie?  Her name could be             different, hard to read on the census. )

                The 1880 Federal Census for Lawrence, Mercer Co., NJ has the family of John Herbig living next door to Philip and Willamta Weber.   We do know that our Philip Weber was married to someone before he married Julia Erbig circa 1901.    This Phillip is a bit younger than ours but information on the Census may be incorrect as I suspect it is as they  list Philip as age 25, wife as 24 daughter as 23 and sons’ as 21 and 17 which obviously is wrong.

1881: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory – 1881

            Michael Erbick, lab,      70 Hopkins av (99.9% that this is our Mike as same address as Charles in 1882 and we know that Charles is correct.  This book is full of little typos   so the “70” instead of “170” doesn’t bother me)

                 Jacob Green, lab,     250 R R av (Street address Confirmed by 1880 Census as Railroad Avenue)

 Circa Spring 1881: Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green married approximately Spring 1881.

 1882: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory – 1882

            Charles E. Erbig, barber, h    170 Hopkins av  (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census) (Charles would be 21 years old this year.  He was not listed in the 1879, 80 or 81 Directories)

            Michael Erbig, lab, h    170 Hopkins av    (Same address as on the 1880 census) 

            NO JACOB GREEN LISTED – But the 1883 Directory has him on Railroad Ave so it’s safe to say he was  still living there in 1882 since he’s listed there in 1881.

 February 24, 1882: Julia R. Erbig born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

1883: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles Erbeg, barber, h        170 Hopkins av

            (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)

           Michael Erbeg, lab, h             170 Hopkins av    (Must be our Michael as is living with Charles)

           Jacob Green, lab,      240 R R av      (Street address Confirmed by 1880 Census as Railroad Avenue) 

1883-84: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbeg, barber, h   466 Monmouth (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)             

            Michael Erbeg, lab, h    170 Hopkins av (Must be our Michael as still living at Charles old address)

           Jacob Green, lab        446 Monmouth   (Must be our Jacob as is living with Charles)

 1883-84: Jacob and Charles (and Catherine) all move in together in 1883-84 at 466 Monmouth Ave, Jersey City.

October 28, 1884: John Erbig born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

1884-85: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory – 1884-85

            Michael Erbig, lab,                 170 Hopkins av  (Must be our Michael as still living at Charles old address)

            NO JACOB GREEN LISTED …   NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

 1885: Philip Weber immigrates to America in 1885.  Philip is married to an unknown woman in New Jersey.  Unknown if he was married to her in Germany or   America.  This marriage somehow ends between 1885 and 1900.  It is believed that children were produced  by this marriage.

 1885-86: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbeg, barber, h   106 Beacon av  (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)

           Michael Erbig, papermkr, h   170 Hopkins av (Must be our Michael as still living at Charles old address)

            Jacob Green, lab, h                    377 ½ Monmouth

            NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

 July 1886: Dora Erbig born in New Jersey to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

 1886-87: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbeg, barber, h   171 Hopkins av (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)              

             Michael Erbig, papermkr, h   691 Summit av (I feel certain this is our Michael as how many Michael Erbig-Papermakers could their have been in Jersey city in 1886?)

             Jacob Green, lab, h                    377 ½ Monmouth

            NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

1887-88: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erberg, barber, h     171 Hopkins av  (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)   

            Michael Erbig, papermkr, h   691 Summit av  (I feel certain this is our Michael as how many Michael Erbig-Papermakers could their have been in Jersey city in 1886?)

           Jacob Green, laborer, h              377 ½ Monmouth

            NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

 March 7, 1888: William Edward Erbig born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

 January 31, 1889: Charles A. Erbig born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Katherina Grün. (New Jersey             Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 1889-90: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles Erbig, barber, h    171 Hopkins av (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)   

            Michael Erbig, papermkr, h   171 Hopkins av ( Mike is living with Charles who we know to be correct)

            Jacob Green, h        84 Colgate

            Jacob Green, laborer, h              377 ½ Monmouth

            NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

 1890-91: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber, h    205 Beacon av (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)

            Michael Erbig, papermkr, h   205 Beacon av ( Mike is living with Charles who we know to be correct)

            NO JACOB GREEN or PHILIP WEBER LISTED

November 27, 1891:  A baby boy is born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles Erbig and Kate Green. (New Jersey        Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

1891-92: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            NO ERBIGS

            Jacob Green, laborer, h             421 2nd

            Philip Weber, machinist h           112 Clinton H

 1892-93: Gospill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        710 Newark av h do  (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)

             Jacob Green, lab,                       348 1^st

             Philip Webber, mach’st,             107 Harrison H

1893-94: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Julia Erbig, wid (Widow) M. h    134 Beacon av

             Jacob Green, lab, h     351 1^st

                (Charles is at same address in 1895 with Jacob.  We know Charles is correct so this must be our Jacob)

            NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

 April 22, 1893:  Michael Erbig dies in Jersey City, NJ.  Age 79 (New Jersey Deaths & Burials, 1720-1988)

 March 22, 1894:  Florence Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles Erbig and Katie Green. (New Jersey         Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 August 29, 1894:  Elizabeth Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green. (New Jersey             Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

 1895:  New Jersey State Census: Jersey City, NJ  (Hudson County)

            Charles A. Erbig:       White Male:  1                        Age 20 to 60:  1

            Catherine Erbig:            White Female:  1           Age 20 to 60: 1

            Julia Erbig:                    White Female:  1           Age 5 to 20: 1

            John Erbig                     White Male:   1             Age 5 to 20: 1

            Dora Erbig                    White Female: 1            Age 5 to 20: 1

            William Erbig                White Male:  1              Age 5 to 20: 1

            Elizabeth Erbig              White Female: 1            Age 5 years of age and under: 1

            Ada Erbig                     White Female: 1            Age 5 years of age and under: 1

 1895: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles  Erbig, barber.h   335 1^st (Our Charles was a Barber-Occupation listed on 1900 & 1910 Census)

            Jacob Green, lab,h    351 1^st        (Jacob is living with his Son-In-Law Charles)

              NO PHILIP WEBER LISTED

            Jacob Green and Charles (and Catherine) Erbig are living together again at 351 1^st Street, Jersey City.       This is the last definite mention of Jacob Green so we know he died sometime after 1895.

 March 22, 1895: Ada Erbig is born in New Jersey, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

 1895-96: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        3 Hoboken av h 769 Newark av  (Charles was a Barber-Occpt listed 1900 & 1910 Census) (1^st address work address, 2^nd is home address)

             NO JACOB GREEN LISTED

            Philip Weber, engineer      89 Railroad Ave    (This is a good candidate to be our Philip as on the 1910 census his occupation is listed as Engineer Printing)

December 30, 1896:  Raymond L. Erbig Sr. is born in New Jersey to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.  (N.J.             Births & Christenings, 1660-1980 lists birth year as 1897)

 1896-97: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        2 Hoboken av h 769 Newark av (Charles was Barber-Occpn on 1900 & 1910 Census)   (The 1910 Census has Charles Herbig living at 32 Hoboken Ave)

             Jacob Green, polisher        476 Monmouth (I do not know if this is our Jacob.  I have no information that would confirm or deny this as him)                                

            Philip Weber, engineer      89 Railroad av  (This is a good candidate to be our Philip as on the 1910 census his occupation is listed as Engineer Printing)

 October 11, 1897:  Jacob Green dies in Jersey City, NJ.  Age 66.  (New Jersey Deaths & Burials, 1720-1988)

 1897-98: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        3 Hoboken av h 769 W Newark av–  (Charles was Barber-Occpn on 1900 & 1910 Census)  ( I think the above means that he worked at 3 Hoboken and lived on 769 W Newark)

  NO PHILIP WEBER NOT LISTED

 1898: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        3 Hoboken av h 769 Newark av (Charles was Barber-Occpn on 1900 & 1910 Census)

            NO PHILIP WEBER NOT LISTED

1899: Boyd’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            Charles A. Erbig, barber        X99 Summit av h (or b) 7x W. Newark av  (Charles was Barber-Occpn on 1900 & 1910 Census)

              Philip Weber, engineer               89 Railroad Ave                                   

 January 9, 1899: Robert Philip Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.  (New Jersey             Births & Christenings, 1660-1980)

1900: Gopsill’s Jersey City and Hoboken Directory

            NO ERBIGS,

             Philip Weber, lab                       79 Morris

 1900:  Federal Census: June 1, 1900   32 Hoboken Avenue, Jersey City, NJ

            Charles Herbig    (head) age 40, born April 1860 in NJ, married 18 years,  parents born in Germany,  Occupation: Barber

            Katherine Herbig    (wife) age 40, born January 1860 in NJ, Number of children born: 10 – 8 still living, parents             born in Germany, Occupation: none

            Julia R. Herbig              (daughter) age 18, born Feb. 1882 in NJ, Single, parents born in NJ, Shirt Maker

            John Herbig                  (son) age 15, born October 1884 in NJ, Occupation: Butcher

            Dora Herbig                  (daughter) age 13, born July 1886 in NJ, Occupation: at school

            William Herbig (son) age 12, born March 1888 in NJ, Occupation: at school

            Lizzie Herbig                 (daughter) age 6, born August 1893 in NJ

            Adda Herbig                 (daughter) age 5(?), born March 1895 (?) in NJ

            Raymond Herbig           (son) age 3, born December 1896 in NJ

            Robert Herbig               (son) age 1, born January 1899 in NJ

 Between June 1900 & June 1910: Philip Weber & Julie Erbig marry.

 January 31, 1901: Eva Josephine Erbig is born in Hoboken, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

 February 7, 1902: Florence Jeanette Weber is born in Jersey City, NJ to Philip Weber and Julia R. Erbig.

 January 13, 1904: Isabelle Weber is born in New Jersey to Philip Weber and Julia R. Erbig.

 December 15, 1905: William Phillip Weber is born in New Jersey to Philip Weber and Julia R. Erbig.

 Circa 1906: John D. Erbig (son of Charles Erbig & Catherine Green) marries Anna Albrecht in New Jersey.

 June 3, 1906: Irene Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to John D. Erbig and Anna Albrecht.

 January 9, 1907: Evelyn L. Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to Charles A. Erbig and Catherine Green.

 December 16, 1607: Margaret Ruth Erbig is born in Jersey City, NJ to John D. Erbig and Anna Albrecht.

 1910: Federal Census: April 21, 1910  Jersey City, NJ  (Address may be 325 Pine Street- hard to read)

            Phillip Weber  (head) age 32(?), Number of years in present marriage: 9, born in Germany, parents  born in Germany, Year of immigration: 1885,  Able to speak English:  Yes, Occupation: Engineer (?) Printing (?) –    hard to read, Own or rent home: Rent

            Julia Weber   (wife) age 27, married 9 years, had 3 children- all still living,  born in NJ, parents born in NJ

            Florence Weber    (daughter) age 8, born in NJ,  Attended School between 9/1/1909 and 12/31/1909  

            Isabelle Weber   (daughter) age 6, born in NJ,  Attended School between 9/1/1909 and 12/31/1909  

            William Weber     (son) age 4, born in NJ

 1910: Census: April 23 & 25, 1910  Herbert Place, Jersey City, NJ

            Charles Erbig     (head) age 50 or 51 (?), Number of years married: 28, born in NJ, parents born in Germany, Home rented, Occupation: Barber, Shop

            Catherine Erbig    (wife) age 50, Children born: 12 –Still living: 10, born in NJ, Parents born in  Germany

            William Erbig   (son) age 22, Single, born in NJ, Occupation: Truck Driver

            Elizabeth Erbig   (daughter) age 16, Single, born in NJ, Occupation: Operator, Meaters (?)

            Ada Erbig      (daughter) age 14, Single, born in NJ, Occupation: None

            Raymond Erbig     (son) age 13, born in NJ, Occupation: None

            Robert Erbig      (son) age 10, born in NJ, Occupation: None

            Eva Erbig    (daughter) age 9 (?), born in NJ

            Evelyn Erbig   (daughter) age 3 or 8 (?), born in NJ

            Harry Lockwood Sr. (son in law) age 24(?), married 3 years, born in NJ, Occptn: Railroads, Elevator Operator

            Dora Lockwood   (daughter) age 23, Number of years married: 3, born in NJ, Occupation: none

            Harry Lockwood Jr.  (grandson) age: Looks like X mos., born in NJ